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ECHO OF TUESDAY 24rd of October:

Do you wanna
do you wanna
come in?
Sure.
Ok. So...welcome!

Here I am recycling myself
With the whole process,
it was very organic for me.

Let me begin there
and I don't know how it is going to develop
I grew a lot
growing with the big scale of this
bigger than body scale

Two fish speak to each other,
one mentions water,
the other one goes: - what the hell is water

Details,
that you only see if you go
close, close,
like this

[Sound: drops of rain falling on a roof and dripping to the ground.]

it is an image of a large animal
a sort of austrian cliché animal
can you see it now?

[Image: An illustration made by a multitude of neon lines,
depicting
a cyborg with a balaklava
and a spiked halo
who is holding a plackard
that reads "We are but one bitch".
Above their head, a sign says
"how to cypher sex:
A manual for collective, digital, self-defence guides".]

The justifications
Somehow if it is
"we are protecting women and children"
then no-one can disagree
But the result is so widespread
that there is no way
it is going to be able
to do the thing
that it says it is going to do.

I did not know
I did not know
about
this
section 2.30.E

[Sound: a chair scrapes on the floor.]

separating identities
and when possible
also separating devices
but there are strategies
to do
when you can not have
multiple devices

Do you have messaging apps?
Do you use certain messaging apps for work?
Do you use certain messaging apps for friends?
Think of the level of
personal closeness.

[Sounds:]
[dog barks]
[someone shushes]
[man says "Lula, aus!"]

Earlier this year
I was in a protest movement
against the chinese government
and I posted an anonymous email address online
and then
a journalist contacted me
and wanted to do an interview on Signal
But I did not want to use
my real phone number
in relation to this anonymous email account.

The level of closeness
and relation between service/accounts/identity:
using your official name,
work accounts,
private accounts,
in terms of the level of trust
that you give

[Sound: shuffling feet]

if we are making good tools we are making tools nobody is aware of
it makes it more accessible, it makes it easier to use,
but it's not necessarely good in an ethical sense.

for technologies to spread widely
they need to be invisible in the best possible ways
not noticible

the least clicks the better an interface ...
so
we are doing everything bad with the splinter
that's cool
we can adress this invisibility thing
to share later
our chosen 'badness'

[Sounds: many laughters, murmurs of appreciation]

in terms of power
when you are making things easier for people,
it means you are taking away certain difficulties

in some cases, people don't have to think on their own anymore
so they don't learn how it's done.

If you then don't provide the service
and people suddenly have to do it by themselves
they are kind of lost

it is one of the most controversial effects of caring for somebody

[Image: a grey creature, looking like something between a goat and a dragon,
is perched on a branch,
while a yellow-squared duck
is carrying a blue salamander on its back]

• I love the way the direction this conversation is taking!
• These are the things what we, designers, should worry about.
  ... it is very tricky to normalise the use of things.
• How can you make a keyboard invisible?
  when in reality everybody uses them in so many different ways,
  you can not make one invisible keyboard, it is impossible.
• I could not agreed more.

[Sound: drops of rain keep on falling on the plastic table in the garden]

I don't know
I don't know what I want to do

They say
it is too much business
other people
say it is too much art
it is hard
they do not know
how to handle us here
Everybody likes this project
Everybody wants this project
but nobody wants to pay for it

a whole network
all connected
allez, it's smooth

[Sound: somebody pealing a banana]

Should we slowly start walking towards lunch?

I'm cooking a soup
and I use the spoon to tell me the consistency of the soup
the actual sensation happens
in the palm of the hand that it is connected to the handle of the spoon
you integrate the spoon into your body.

do my fingers know more than I do?

the challenge would be
not to imagine
why someone would put a cup somewhere
but instead:
why is it a cup or a plate; could it be possible for a cup
to be in another material

What would you consider as a material?

what we take for granted
is constantly changing

[Sound: somebody blowing their nose]

It is interesting to think about how you do, what you do,..
It took me a while
It took me two months
It would have probably taken me less, if the weather conditions where different
...
but it was fun

[Sound: awful loud sound of metal, being dragged on the ground, by a machine]

This concludes the Echo

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